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- The price has been reduced! 2023/5/6 sales price 8,000 yen 10cm full range unit with electro-voiced sound. How about using it for a small full range speaker or for the MID range (Hiroki Aso) Maintenance information: 2023.5.6 sound output confirmed (sweep OK) Accessories: none Main specifications: 8Ω playback frequency band 90-18000Hz output level 91db allowable input 10w baffle opening diameter 106 mm depth 50 mm screw diagonal 118 mm
Manufacture:ONKYO
Price: JPY 9,091(pair)Sold Out
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- Onkyo's 10cm full range unit is the 12th speaker unit in Stereo magazine's appendix. The unique biomimetics technology makes a particularly pleasant sound at high frequencies. I'd like to try it out with the Backload box. The product is so good that you don't feel the appearance or feeling of use (Kobayashi Hitoshi) Maintenance information: 2023.4.26 sound output confirmed Accessories: original box, booklet Main specifications: 10cm caliber full range unit, iron plate press processing (4 holes), diaphragm, etc. (material) biomimetic diaphragm (long fiber pulp), spiral edge (rubber type), phase plug (ABS), baffle opening size 95 mm 0.76 kg
Manufacture:FOSTEX
Price: JPY 2,727 Sold Out
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- *Currently on sale. 8cm full range speaker unit kit from the 2011/7 issue of STereo magazine. You can make a speaker unit by assembling the components. The cone paper and center cap have a mechanical 2-way structure, and the cone paper uses the same material as the limited-edition FE203en-S. The exterior is torn on paper media, etc., but the kit part is unopened (Murakoshi Yoichi) Accessories: booklet Main specifications: 8cm cone type full range impedance 8ohm minimum resonance frequency 115Hz playback frequency band f0 ~ 18 kHz output sound pressure level 86 dB/W size W79.5 x H47.4 x D79.5 mm baffle hole size 73 mm recommended enclosure volume 1 to 4 liters
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- 1 bottle only Full range units from Fostex. Limited edition of 300 pieces. It is a unit designed entirely for backload use. It is equipped with a multi-bias type repulsion magnet made of 2 sheets of 180mm ferrite stacked on top of each other, so you can enjoy the deep sound. There is a feeling of use such as stains on the corn (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance Information: 2023.4.14 Confirmation Confirmed Accessories: original box, mounting screws, gasket Main specifications: ES cone paper, HP diaphragm, UDR tangent edge, 99dB impedance, 8ohm, weight 10.5 kg
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/4/13 sales price 79,800 yen The large ferrite magnet enables delicate and expressive music playback. With its high efficiency and impressive dynamic range, you can hear full range sound like never before. The exterior is fine with light stains on the corn paper, but there are generally no noticeable scratches (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information: 2023.4.12 sound output confirmed Accessories: replacement box Main specifications: 20cm full range impedance 8ohm output sound pressure level 96dB playback frequency band F0 to 20kHz weight 8.7 kg
Manufacture:JBL
Price: JPY 81,636(pair)Sold Out
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- This is an original Lanzarote edge that has been softened! A masterpiece of the 20 cm full range unit Alnico Magnetic Full Range Unit. The overhang of the sound from mid to low to mid is amazing, and the vocals resonate sensually with a life-size sound image. On the exterior, corn paper has stains appropriate to the model year. Serial 50724/51771 (Murakoshi Yoichi) Accessories: gasket Main specifications: 20 cm full range Alnico magnet, 8 ohm, 89 dB input, 40 W, depth 98 mm, approx. 3.5 kg/bottle
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- ※1 bottle only. There are repair marks on the cone paper, and there are dents on the magnetic cover, so it is inexpensive and sold as is. Altec's 30cm full range. This is the unit used by the company in Malaga (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.4.9 operation confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 30cm multi-cone type full range unit 8ohm 105dB 6.8kg
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/4/10 sales price 20,000 yen. Full range units from Fostex. Limited edition of 300 pieces. It is a unit designed entirely for backload use. It is equipped with a multi-bias type repulsion magnet made of 2 sheets of 180mm ferrite stacked on top of each other, so you can enjoy the deep sound. There is a feeling of use such as stains on the corn (Takasaki Atsushi) Maintenance information: 2023.4.9 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: ES cone paper, HP diaphragm, UDR tangent edge, 99 dB impedance, 8 ohms, weight 10.5 kg/book
Manufacture:ALTEC
Price: JPY 63,455(pair)Sold Out
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- It doesn't spread like a large horn, but it is characterized by a mid to high range that stretches up without stress. This unit is powerful, has good response, and has a gorgeous sound in the mid to high range. On the outside, there are scratches on the corn paper (Satoshi Yonejima) Maintenance Information: 2023.4.7 Sweep Test Good Accessories: no accessories Main specifications: coaxial 2-way 12 inch ferrite magnet 8 ohm crossover 1,500 Hz efficiency 98.5 dB 11.2 kg
Manufacture:SIEMENS
Price: JPY 31,636(pair)Sold Out
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- This is a full range unit from the 1950s using VAC Alnico magnets. A sharp, solid vintage sound. Surprisingly, it's a fun unit where you can choose a source. The exterior has dullness, oxidation, and small scratches due to aging (Yonejima Satoshi) Maintenance information: 2023.4.4 sweep test good Accessories: no accessories Main specifications: 20 cm full range unit 5 ohm Alnico magnet diameter 200 x D105 mm approx. 1 kg
Manufacture:JENSEN
Price: JPY 116,364(pair)Sold Out
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- The price has been drastically reduced! 2023/3/31 sales price 148,000 yen Jensen's coaxial 2-way unit has arrived. The sound responds quickly and has clear contours. We also recommend putting it in a bass reflex box and enjoying it. There are stains and scuffs on the exterior. Also, the ATT knob is missing (Tamura Eiji) Maintenance information: 2023.3.31 Sweep test good (ATT has a gap, but this is the current situation) Accessories: no accessories Main specifications: 30 cm coaxial unit, 16 ohm frequency band, 30 to 15 khz, weight 4.5 kg/bottle
Manufacture:GOODMANS
Price: JPY 51,636(pair)Sold Out
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/3/11 sales price 59,800 yen double cone full range AXIOM 301. It makes me hear a warm sound with tension in the mid to high frequencies typical of Guttman. The range is slightly narrow, but the presence from the mid to high ranges is sufficient. The sounds of vocals and instruments come forward quickly, and the overall outline is clear. The exterior is dull, and you can see a feeling of use (Kobayashi Hitoshi) Maintenance information：2023.3.11 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 30cm double cone full range 30Hz to 16kHz 8Ω
Manufacture:beyma
Price: JPY 4,545(pair)Sold Out
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- * Since there are repair marks on the cone paper on one side, it is inexpensive and is currently sold. A model with excellent cost performance that was reproduced for a limited time only by Beyma of Spain for Koizumi Radio. Suitable for self-made introductory machines, etc. (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.2.28 operation confirmed Accessories: original box, cable Main specifications: 20 cm full range 8 ohm 93 dB diameter 205 mm height 84 mm 1.5 kg
Manufacture:PEGALEX
Price: JPY 13,636(pair)Sold Out
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- This is the first time PEGALEX 409B has arrived. The sound is energetic and speedy. This is a unit I want to use by incorporating it into a backload type enclosure (Fujisawa Yukishi) Main specifications: 2-way 20cm coaxial speaker unit 8ohm 100dB 2.0kg/book
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- *Currently on sale. A 20cm cone-shaped full-range speaker unit from the UP series aimed for natural sound with little distortion. An SM cone is used for the diaphragm. There is a feeling of use such as slight dirt on the corn paper (Itsuro Mizushima) Maintenance information: 2023.2.19 operation confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: full range speaker unit 8Ω playback frequency band FO to 20kHz 93dB screw hole diagonal 234mm
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- * There is no problem with operation, but since the cone paper is folded, wrinkled, etc., it is inexpensive and is currently sold. Richard Allen's double cone type full range unit. With a deep, narrow range, you can enjoy the sound of sitting firmly on your back (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.2.15 operation confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 8 ohms playback frequency band 45 to 15,000 Hz output sound pressure level 91 dB baffle opening diameter 178 mm weight 1.8 kg
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- * It is inexpensive because the stickers on the cone paper, frame paint, etc. are in poor condition. Popular Fostex full range speakers. It is the perfect unit for backroad horns, has a wide range for the full range, and is recommended for those who make their own. The exterior has stickers and yellowing on corn paper, and paint on the frame (Kimiya Miura) Maintenance information: 2023.2.5 operation confirmed Accessories: original box, gasket Main specifications: 16 cm full range impedance 8 ohms maximum input 80 W output sound pressure level 94.5 dB frequency characteristics 51 Hz to 21 kHz screw pitch (diagonal) 174 mm
Manufacture:KENWOOD
Price: JPY 909(pair)Sold Out
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- *Currently on sale. Details of Kenwood's full-range unit pair characteristics are unknown, but I was able to sweep and make sounds. The exterior is slightly dull (Hiura Katsutsugu) Maintenance information：2023.2.5 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W130 x H130 x D62 mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 137 mm weight 664 kg
Manufacture:SANSUI
Price: JPY 2,727(pair)Sold Out
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- This is a mid to high range unit used in Sansui home stereos. The characteristics etc. are unknown, but you can hear the natural sound comfortably on the paper cone. The exterior is dirty, dull, and there is a feeling of use (Katsutsugu Hiura) Maintenance information: 2022.11.15 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: impedance 8ohm W130 x H130 x D79 mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 140 mm weight 536 kg
Manufacture:不明
Price: JPY 909(pair)Sold Out
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- *Currently on sale. Details such as the manufacturer and model number of the unspecified full-range unit pair are unknown, but I was able to sweep and make a sound. The exterior is dull and covered with corn paper after repair (Katsutsugu Hiura) Maintenance information：2023.2.5 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W105 x H105 x D46 mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 115 mm weight 661 g
Manufacture:SHARP
Price: JPY 455(pair)Sold Out
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- *Currently on sale. Details of Sharp's full range unit pair are unknown, but I was able to sweep and make a sound. The exterior is dull and stained (Katsutsugu Hiura) Maintenance information：2023.2.5 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W119 x H119 x D57 mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 110 mm weight 696 g
Manufacture:不明
Price: JPY 455(pair)Sold Out
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- Disposal prices have been reduced. Member discounts do not apply. 2023.2.5 sales price 800 yen. *Currently on sale. I was able to make a sound from a full range unit pair sweep from an unknown manufacturer. The exterior is dull and there is a feeling of use (Katsutsugu Hiura) Maintenance information：2023.2.5 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W55 x H55 x D38 mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 60 mm weight 194 g
Manufacture:DIATONE
Price: JPY 1,727(pair)Sold Out
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- Disposal prices have been reduced. Member discounts do not apply. 2023/2/5 sales price is 3,000 yen. *Currently on sale. Diamond tone PM-1215CM pair It seems that it was used in the company's DS-50C speaker squawker. Rubbing, dullness, wrinkles on the center dome (Takasaki Atsushi) Maintenance information: 2023.2.5 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 8Ω 600 Hz to 5 kHz W138 x H138 x D58mm (actual measurement) screw pitch (diagonal) 140 mm 1038 g
Manufacture:SONY
Price: JPY 182 Sold Out
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- Disposal prices have been reduced. Member discounts will not be applied. 2023/2/5 sales price 500 yen. ※This item is sold as it is. It seems that only 1 Sony full range unit is a unit for Sony 5.1 channel surround speakers. The exterior is dull and has tape marks (Hiura Katsugu) Maintenance information: 2023.2.5 sound confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W83 x H85 x D49 mm (actual measurement), screw pitch (diagonal), 92 mm, weight 553 g
Manufacture:SIEMENS
Price: JPY 29,091(pair)Sold Out
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/2/4 sales price 34,800 yen. This is a full range unit from the 1950s using VAC Alnico magnets. It has a stiff and sharp sound, so it's a unit that can be used by selecting a source. Good for the old version of the cone paper, there are cable attachment marks on the SP terminal (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information：2023.1.27 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 20 cm full range unit 5 ohm Alnico magnet diameter 200 x D105 mm approx. 1 kg
Manufacture:TELEFUNKEN
Price: JPY 31,818(pair)Sold Out
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/2/4 sales price 37,800 yen. Telefunken's 20cm full range unit is rarely in stock. TIGGES MAGES MAGNET It has a reputation among vintage speaker units, and its elegant, calm sound seems to go well with vacuum tube amplifiers. The exterior is dull due to aging, and the color of corn paper is different on the left and right (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information：2023.2.2 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 20 cm full range 5 ohms screw pitch 223 mm weight 0.68 kg
Manufacture:不明
Price: JPY 455(pair)Sold Out
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- Full range unit with unknown details. I was able to make a sound. Both units are marked “R” on the back and have recessed edges. The exterior is dull (Hiura Katsutsugu) Maintenance information：2022.10.22 Sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 4Ω 15W W118 x H118 mm Screw pitch approx. 117 mm Weight 934 g
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- It was unopened, but I opened it for a photo shoot. It is an unused item. A PE-101 reprint unit commemorating the 70th anniversary of Pioneer's founding. The good localization unique to full-range speakers and well-balanced sound quality in the playback band are attractive. It is in good condition (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.2.1 operation confirmed Accessories: original box, screws, cable, instruction manual Main specifications: 10cm full range single cone speaker 8Ω fo to 20 000 Hz 90.5 dB
Manufacture:TOSHIBA
Price: JPY 909(pair)Sold Out
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- Disposal prices have been reduced. Member discounts will not be applied. 2023/1/23 sales price 2,000 yen. Sale as is. TOSHIBA's full range unit. There is dullness and a feeling of use (Hiura Katsugu) Maintenance information: 2023.1.23 Operation confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: W120 x H120 mm, screw pitch approx. 220 mm, weight 269 g
Manufacture:PIONEER
Price: JPY 1,727(pair)Sold Out
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- I lowered the picture. 2023/1/22 sales price 2,000 yen. Pioneer Double Cone Full Range The large rolled edge is made of cloth (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information: 2022.2.27 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: cone diameter 148 mm 182 x 76 mm weight 600 g
Manufacture:Technics
Price: JPY 318(only one piece)Sold Out
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- Disposal prices have been reduced. Member discounts will not be applied. 2023/1/22 sales price 1,000 yen. Technics 12cm squawker equipped with a back cavity. Fixed edge adopted. There is a dent in the center cap (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information: 2022.11.1 sound confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 12 cm squawker, 8 ohm, screw pitch 128 mm (diagonal), outer diameter, 138 mm, depth 100 mm (including back cavity)
Manufacture:Clarion
Price: JPY 1,818(pair)Sold Out
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- The price has been reduced. 2023/1/22 sales price 2,500 yen. 8cm full range made by Clarion with unknown details. What was painted silver on the center dome seems to have been peeled off, and the interior can be seen through (Murakoshi Yoichi) Maintenance information：2022.11.15 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: 8cm 8Ω 120W Mounting pitch 120mm (diagonal) Outer diameter 130mm Depth 37mm
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- *Only 1 is a single cone full range unit with Alnico magnet specifications currently sold. It seems to be a model with a small magnet depth of the famous PE-8, but the details are unknown. There is a small scratch on the cone paper. There are dull stains appropriate to the model year, there is no noticeable damage (Kanai Hidetsugu) Maintenance information: 2023.1.20 sound output checked Accessories: none Main specifications: 96db diameter 205 mm depth 125 mm screw hole diagonal 193 mm 1.7 kg
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- *Currently on sale. The F10 series 10cm cone type full range unit employs a high input resistance and high efficiency design. It is a speaker that is easy to listen to with clear sound quality (Fujisawa Yukishi) Maintenance information: 2023.1.19 sweep tested Accessories: instruction manual, original box, screws, gasket Main specifications: 10cm full range 8ohm W121 x H104 x D121 mm 0.75 Kg (actual measurement)
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- *Currently on sale. A rare passive radiator from Technics in stock. The equivalent mass adjustment mechanism makes it possible to change low frequency characteristics according to preferences (Fujisawa Yukishi) Accessories: original box, screws, gasket Main specifications: Model: 10cm cone type passive radiator fo: 32/36/43/48 Hz mo (equivalent mass) 9.0/7.0/5.0/4.0 g cone effective radius: 45 mm weight: 98 g
Manufacture:TOKUDEN
Price: JPY 2,727 Sold Out
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- *Currently on sale. The unit used in the TokuDEN antique audio system CapeHart. The bass is slightly distorted in the sweep check. There is a small blur on the corn paper (Kanai Hidetsugu) Maintenance information: 2022.10.23 sound output confirmed Accessories: none
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- The edge has been replaced! A masterpiece of the 20 cm full range unit Alnico Magnetic Full Range Unit. The overhang of the sound from mid to low to mid is amazing, and the vocals resonate sensually with a life-size sound image. On the exterior, there are stains and paint peeling on the corn paper. Serial 113286/113068 (Tamura Eiji) Maintenance information: 2023.1.18 maintained (edge replacement, other operation checks) Accessories: none Main specifications: 20 cm full range Alnico magnet, 8 ohm, 89 dB input, 40 W, depth 98 mm, approx. 3.5 kg/bottle
Manufacture:Tang Band
Price: JPY 4,545(pair)Sold Out
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- Taiwanese speaker manufacturers don't have a wide range of full-range units, but the mid and low frequencies are glossy and audible. The playback frequency is up to 18 kHz, so it would be interesting to assemble it in 2 ways (Fujisawa Yukishi) Maintenance information: 2023.1.15 sweep tested Accessories: none Main specifications: 8 cm full range unit 100 to 18,000 Hz 86 dB 8 ohm (measured DC value 6.8/6.7 ohms) screw pitch (diagonal) 85 mm W99 x D63 mm 610 g
Manufacture:TB SPEAKERS
Price: JPY 3,182 Sold Out
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- *This item is currently on sale. Comes with original box A unit from a Taiwanese audio kit craft manufacturer. The sound is sharp, with clean high frequencies and wide low frequencies. The sound balance is tight and very easy to listen to (Daiki Goto) Maintenance information: 2023.1.15 operation confirmed Accessories: original box Main Specifications: 8cm Antimagnetic Type TB Special Wooden Paper Cone with Phase Equalizer Full Range Unit Playback Frequency 100Hz to 19kHz Impedance 8Ω Sound Pressure Level 87dB Permitted Input 15W
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- *There is no problem with operation, but since it is inexpensive, it is currently sold. A full range with excellent value for money. It is perfect as a self-made introductory machine. It is in good condition (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.1.15 operation confirmed Accessories: original box, instruction manual Main specifications: aluminum/magnesium cone, 8Ω, playback frequency band, 89.3 Hz to 20 kHz, 84.3 dB, baffle opening diameter, 75 mmØ, 0.7 kg
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- *There is no problem with operation, but since it is inexpensive, it is currently sold. There is only 1 bottle. A full range with excellent value for money. It is perfect as a self-made introductory machine. It is in good condition (Oikawa Tetsuji) Maintenance information: 2023.1.15 operation confirmed Accessories: original box, instruction manual Main specifications: aluminum/magnesium cone, 8Ω, playback frequency band, 89.3 Hz to 20 kHz, 84.3 dB, baffle opening diameter, 75 mmØ, 0.7 kg
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- Good product! 10 cm full range unit sold in a limited edition of 2000 units. It's still very popular, and I recommend combining it with Backroad. The clear mid to high frequencies and thick bass are attractive (Fujisawa Yukishi) Maintenance information: 2023.1.14 sweep tested Accessories: instruction manual, connection cord, original box, gasket, screws Main specifications: 10cm cone type full range unit 8ohm 90dB F0 to 35kHz baffle opening dimensions 103 mm 1.2 kg
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- ※There is only 1 bottle, but it's been a long time since it arrived! The 16Ω P-610M was reprinted to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Diamond Tone. I feel that the noise is more comfortable than an 8ohm MB. A combination with a tube amplifier is recommended. There are thin line marks on corn paper (Fujisawa Yukishi) Maintenance information: 2023.1.14 sweep tested Accessories: instruction manual, original box, mounting screws Main specifications: 16cm single cone full range 16Ω 90dB artificial leather roll edge 0.92 kg
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- Good condition, original box included! Fostex's popular 16cm full range. This unit has a light sound and is ideal for small bass reflex enclosures and backload types. The unit is easy to play, so you can enjoy it even with a small tube amp. It is in good condition (Sasaki Shota) Maintenance information: 2023.1.10 sweep test good Accessories: manual, original box Main specifications: double cone type full range speaker 16cm 8ohm 92dB weight 1.1 kg
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- Comes with original box! 10cm full range unit with electro voice. How about using it for a small full range speaker or for the MID range (Sasaki Shota) Maintenance information: 2023.1.10 sweep test good Accessories: original box Main specifications: 8Ω playback frequency band 90-18000Hz output level 91db allowable input 10w baffle opening diameter 106 mm depth 50 mm screw diagonal 118 mm
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- 1 bottle only A powerful 20 cm full range unit sold exclusively by Fostex for backroad horns. It's a popular unit with a powerful magnetic circuit and a bold sound that uses waveform cross-edges. There is a feeling of use and dullness (Sasaki Shota) Maintenance information: 2023.1.10 sweep test good Accessories: original box Main specifications: 20cm double cone type full range impedance 16ohm playback frequency band to 16000Hz input 30W baffle hole diameter: 186 mm diameter weight 3.25 kg/book
Manufacture:SONY
Price: JPY 91(only one piece)Sold Out
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- *Only 1 bottle, currently on sale. The SONY full range unit has a low range with plenty of volume and a high range that stretches out honestly, and the sense of vocal localization is excellent, just like a full range. I think it would be appropriate to put it in a 4 to 6 liter bass reflex box. The exterior is generally beautiful, but there are scratches on the frame packing part (Hiura Katsutsugu) Maintenance information: 2022.12.17 sound output confirmed Accessories: none Main specifications: impedance 2 ohms (actual measurement) W110 x H110 x D53 screw pitch 116 mm weight 0.54 kg
Manufacture:DAITO VOICE
Price: JPY 727 Sold Out
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- ※1 bottle only. Currently on sale. DAITO VOICE 10cm full range unit. Take advantage of the quality of the mid-range It might be a good idea to use it as a squoker for multi-way systems. The exterior is generally beautiful (Kanai Hidetsugu) Maintenance information: 2022.11.4 sound output confirmed Accessories: original box Main specifications: 10 cm full range unit 4 ohms (actual measurement 4 ohms)
Manufacture:ALTEC
Price: JPY 27,091(pair)Sold Out
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- Altec's 20cm coaxial 2-way. The crispness is the same, but the impression is different from Altec of yesteryear, and clarity and delicacy have been added. There is a feeling of use over time (Fujisawa Yukishi) Maintenance information: 2022.12.24 sweep chuck completed Accessories: none Main specifications: 20cm full range 8ohm maximum input 32W
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